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Oct 14, 2012 10:21:32 GMT -5
Post by alteregomaniak on Oct 14, 2012 10:21:32 GMT -5
I'm curious to know if anyone out there has any theories on Nathan's role in the larger mythology. Clearly there is some role for Duke, but what about Nathan? I'm thinking specifically outside of his feelings for Audrey (I have not been crazy about how nearly every plot line in season 2 had him following her around like a sad little puppy). Are we going to learn more about Max? Who was Nathan's mom? Why did Garland adopt him, etc...? Curious to hear what you're all thinking...
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Oct 14, 2012 13:14:25 GMT -5
Post by HeartHalfEmpty on Oct 14, 2012 13:14:25 GMT -5
I can't wait to learn more about Nathan and his ultimate role in things. I have some thoughts. After a nap haha I will share those!
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Oct 14, 2012 14:06:52 GMT -5
Post by dordoris on Oct 14, 2012 14:06:52 GMT -5
I was about to create this topic! I don't have any theories, but he must be important because, for the promos and extras, we can see that he is in Audrey/Sarah/Lucy's memories. You all saw the gag reel, he is dressing like someone would in Sarah's time. I can be just delusional, but that's the stuff I think. Up until now, he doesn't have a plot for himself, even with so many questions about his past as alteregomaniak said. But I guess he definitely has a role to play in the story (hopefully).
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Oct 14, 2012 18:38:33 GMT -5
Post by indigoisfake on Oct 14, 2012 18:38:33 GMT -5
I agree. He must exist in Sarah's time. You could argue that maybe he plays one of his ancestors (granfather?) but I don't think we've seen any episodes where an actor plays his character's ancestor too. ex: we had a different actor for Duke's dad. But I could be wrong on that account. I think his family history will probably end up being important.
Since the cast was big on talking about how amazing episode 9 is and how they weren't able to say anything about it... It makes me think that 9 will be a flashback heavy/time travel episode. And we'll likely find out more about Nathan's role in the mythology then. This is all just my speculation though.
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Oct 14, 2012 21:26:09 GMT -5
Post by dordoris on Oct 14, 2012 21:26:09 GMT -5
It makes me think that 9 will be a flashback heavy/time travel episode. And we'll likely find out more about Nathan's role in the mythology then. This is all just my speculation though. You may be right. I think it has to happen in order to explain all this stuff. And we can guess that Sarah was a nurse, right? Not that this has to do with anything, just wanted to add information lol Nathan is an amazing character, I feel bad sometimes to think that he is Audrey's puppy. I really liked to see him self confident talking to Jordan. We are, hopefully, going to see more of his side this season.
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Oct 14, 2012 21:34:46 GMT -5
Post by alteregomaniak on Oct 14, 2012 21:34:46 GMT -5
he is dressing like someone would in Sarah's time. I don't know for sure, but I think I remember hearing the line somewhere (maybe from the gag reel?) "If we don't fix this, there won't be a Haven in our time to go back to", or something to that effect. This made me think that the old era shots from episode 9 were our Nathan and Audrey (and Duke too...I think I saw him in the scene where the sailors are fighting) back in time or in a memory...
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Oct 15, 2012 0:07:20 GMT -5
Post by epponine on Oct 15, 2012 0:07:20 GMT -5
Why did Garland adopt him, etc...? I can answer this one. =) Nathan's mom married Garland, that's why he has his last name. Garland adopts him to save Nathan from having the rep as a killers son. He's the hero. He'll be the one to be broken hearted when Audrey leaves, like the Teagues and Garland (i think). Yea I know its all too cookie cutter but its what I got for you. =)
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Oct 15, 2012 0:26:23 GMT -5
Post by dordoris on Oct 15, 2012 0:26:23 GMT -5
Why did Garland adopt him, etc...? I can answer this one. =) Nathan's mom married Garland, that's why he has his last name. Garland adopts him to save Nathan from having the rep as a killers son. He's the hero. He'll be the one to be broken hearted when Audrey leaves, like the Teagues and Garland (i think). Yea I know its all too cookie cutter but its what I got for you. =) Can be, but it's too simple. I think it is still very early to come up with answers, but it is really nice to speculate, right? I think there's more. I don't think the Chief was in love with Lucy and don't know what's up with that ring. I have to admit, though, that's pretty cute and we all hope that is the bittersweet true lol
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Oct 15, 2012 1:02:02 GMT -5
Post by epponine on Oct 15, 2012 1:02:02 GMT -5
But Garland did marry Nathans mom. I don't think it was romantic between the two of them. Its like a friend who just is there one day then gone for the next 27 years. Then she just comes back with out knowing who you or anyone else is.
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Oct 15, 2012 3:28:16 GMT -5
Post by valfromrome on Oct 15, 2012 3:28:16 GMT -5
he is dressing like someone would in Sarah's time. I don't know for sure, but I think I remember hearing the line somewhere (maybe from the gag reel?) "If we don't fix this, there won't be a Haven in our time to go back to", or something to that effect. This made me think that the old era shots from episode 9 were our Nathan and Audrey (and Duke too...I think I saw him in the scene where the sailors are fighting) back in time or in a memory... I agree. I read or hear something like that too. I do think Nathan and Audrey will time travel back to Sarah's times to fix things. Anyway, I can't wait to find out even though time travel episodes always make me feel awkard. Not a big fan of them.
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Oct 15, 2012 18:59:36 GMT -5
Post by dordoris on Oct 15, 2012 18:59:36 GMT -5
I don't know for sure, but I think I remember hearing the line somewhere (maybe from the gag reel?) "If we don't fix this, there won't be a Haven in our time to go back to", or something to that effect. This made me think that the old era shots from episode 9 were our Nathan and Audrey (and Duke too...I think I saw him in the scene where the sailors are fighting) back in time or in a memory... I agree. I read or hear something like that too. I do think Nathan and Audrey will time travel back to Sarah's times to fix things. Anyway, I can't wait to find out even though time travel episodes always make me feel awkard. Not a big fan of them. That would be so awesome. Can you imagine Nathan's or Duke's reaction seeing Sarah or Lucy. I mean, there are Audreys for me, you and Chris LOL -not
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Oct 15, 2012 23:49:32 GMT -5
Post by killabeez on Oct 15, 2012 23:49:32 GMT -5
This isn't really a theory, so much as some random thoughts, I guess, but I think we're supposed to see Garland, Simon, and Lucy as the previous incarnation of Nathan, Duke, and Audrey. We can already see that Duke is very different from his father, and Vince said to Dave that Audrey was different, too. What I'm confused about is why Vince thinks that they need Garland back? (Remember, at the end of S2 Vince had Garland dug up, and he's keeping him in the cooler at the Herald.)
Also, how does Max Hansen play into it? I don't know, but somehow. He went up against Vince in the past, which is a thread I hope they come back to. And Dave also went up against Vince in the past, somehow preventing him from helping Lucy, but they seem to be on the same side in general. The side of the town? Trying to make sure it doesn't get wiped out of existence?
If Nathan has stepped into Garland's shoes, then he is supposed to help hold the town together—but he isn't Garland's natural son, so is that why Vince thinks they need Garland back?
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Oct 16, 2012 0:15:40 GMT -5
Post by dordoris on Oct 16, 2012 0:15:40 GMT -5
Also, how does Max Hansen play into it? I don't know, but somehow. He went up against Vince in the past, which is a thread I hope they come back to. And Dave also went up against Vince in the past, somehow preventing him from helping Lucy, but they seem to be on the same side in general. The side of the town? Trying to make sure it doesn't get wiped out of existence? It makes me think back in the first season: Remember that when Max went to the Herald and Dave asked if he wanted money? After that, Max tells Vince that he and Dave owned him. Now we know that the brothers are actually rich. If they are rich, why would they own Max any money? Apparently Max had a role in the guard, so I'm guessing he wasn't that bad (we know they protect the Troubled). He probably killed to protect someone Troubled and went to jail. I don't think he was an angel, but we know close to nothing about him, so we must as well guess. I'm beginning to think that the Teague brothers are kind of evil.
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Oct 16, 2012 9:18:31 GMT -5
Post by killabeez on Oct 16, 2012 9:18:31 GMT -5
Remember that when Max went to the Herald and Dave asked if he wanted money? After that, Max tells Vince that he and Dave owned him. Now we know that the brothers are actually rich. If they are rich, why would they own Max any money? Apparently Max had a role in the guard, so I'm guessing he wasn't that bad (we know they protect the Troubled). He probably killed to protect someone Troubled and went to jail. I think that makes a whole lot of sense. So, Vince went and dug up Garland when it became obvious that Nathan was beginning to follow in Max Hansen's footsteps rather than the Chief's? I'm not sure if I'm convinced yet that Dave and Vince are evil, but it's seeming like a real possibility. Maybe they are trying to make sure the cycle continues indefinitely? And that's why they're so worried about the idea that Audrey's different this time? I'm really intrigued by that scene where Vince says to Dave, "You're not getting in my way this time. She needs our help."
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Oct 17, 2012 12:07:44 GMT -5
Post by dordoris on Oct 17, 2012 12:07:44 GMT -5
Remember that when Max went to the Herald and Dave asked if he wanted money? After that, Max tells Vince that he and Dave owned him. Now we know that the brothers are actually rich. If they are rich, why would they own Max any money? Apparently Max had a role in the guard, so I'm guessing he wasn't that bad (we know they protect the Troubled). He probably killed to protect someone Troubled and went to jail. I think that makes a whole lot of sense. So, Vince went and dug up Garland when it became obvious that Nathan was beginning to follow in Max Hansen's footsteps rather than the Chief's? I'm not sure if I'm convinced yet that Dave and Vince are evil, but it's seeming like a real possibility. Maybe they are trying to make sure the cycle continues indefinitely? And that's why they're so worried about the idea that Audrey's different this time? I'm really intrigued by that scene where Vince says to Dave, "You're not getting in my way this time. She needs our help." I have some thoughts about the brothers . I will open a new thread as soon as I organize my thoughts about them.
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