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Post by killabeez on Oct 20, 2012 16:59:24 GMT -5
I never thought Nathan would ask for "favors", being the Chief it makes him a criminal. You're right, this, too! That scene also really surprised me. I understand Nathan being hurt because of Audrey shutting him out, and to some extent, I can understand him taking that out on Duke. But for me, it is NOT okay for him to take advantage of Jordan's Trouble the way he is, not with these huge lies he's feeding her. I don't care if he's doing it to protect Audrey. It's not okay with me. I want to believe he's under the influence somehow. |
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Post by alteregomaniak on Oct 20, 2012 18:00:00 GMT -5
I'll try watching it again, but it just seemed so manipulative, and ultimately cruel when she learns the truth. That's not the Nathan I know. Okay, time to play some serious Nathan defense. 1. Audrey has sucked so hard the last few episodes so far that I am so happy whenever he says things like, 'this isn't about you..". Of course it is, but she should have the decency not to be so presumptuous. 2. Nathan is taking his job of protecting Audrey seriously (and doing so even though he probably hates her a little bit right now, and knows that nothing will ever happen between them even if he succeeds). I don't think this goes against the Nathan we've come to know and love. He is being loyal and dedicated to Audrey even when she is being a huge jerk to him. Being the chief and 'moral' is less important than making sure Audrey isn't bolt gunned. I agree with Nathan on this one. 3. I don't think the last scene with Jordan was about getting into the guard. I think he saw her despair when she had to use her trouble and had an instant and deep empathy with her. He knows how much a touch would mean to someone like her and I think he is giving her a gift in that last scene. He's thinking, 'I know how painful it is to be you and how far some normalcy would go to making you feel better'. I don't think Jordan misinterprets it as 'he's gaga for me', but rather like, we are 2 poor sad lost souls who can give each other some comfort. 4. I've always wondered about that line of Duke's too. Someone once asked one of the creators about it and if we'd ever hear about it again. He answered, 'yes, but consider the source' (i.e. it was Duke accusing Nathan of being something other than the best). 5. And finally in response to Nathan being a jerk to Duke. Duke may be a good guy now (I totally think he is) but he has by his own admission been a bad guy in the past. He put tacks in Nathan's back! He brought back his trouble! And he's never apologized. I love Duke as much as the next girl, but I think Nathan's attitude is totally understandable, even if it is wrong... 6. Nathan is very handsome. Not sure how that applies but it bears repeating! |
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Post by dordoris on Oct 20, 2012 18:39:05 GMT -5
I'll try watching it again, but it just seemed so manipulative, and ultimately cruel when she learns the truth. That's not the Nathan I know. Okay, time to play some serious Nathan defense. 1. Audrey has sucked so hard the last few episodes so far that I am so happy whenever he says things like, 'this isn't about you..". Of course it is, but she should have the decency not to be so presumptuous. I love when he says those things to Audrey too, but she knows and we know it's not true. It must hurt, anyways. She is being purposefully mean to him. We all know her reasons, but still... 2. Nathan is taking his job of protecting Audrey seriously (and doing so even though he probably hates her a little bit right now, and knows that nothing will ever happen between them even if he succeeds). I don't think this goes against the Nathan we've come to know and love. He is being loyal and dedicated to Audrey even when she is being a huge jerk to him. Being the chief and 'moral' is less important than making sure Audrey isn't bolt gunned. I agree with Nathan on this one. I agree with you, but we have to stay true and understand that he is "bending" the law... 3. I don't think the last scene with Jordan was about getting into the guard. I think he saw her despair when she had to use her trouble and had an instant and deep empathy with her. He knows how much a touch would mean to someone like her and I think he is giving her a gift in that last scene. He's thinking, 'I know how painful it is to be you and how far some normalcy would go to making you feel better'. I don't think Jordan misinterprets it as 'he's gaga for me', but rather like, we are 2 poor sad lost souls who can give each other some comfort. That was what I thought at first, but now I am completely sure he is using his 'immunity' to get in the guard. He may be feeling a little empathy, but it will not be in his way. As OfficerParker said, he has no game with chicks, if he felt something for her, he would be completely speechless and confused. He was using his brain that moment. 4. I've always wondered about that line of Duke's too. Someone once asked one of the creators about it and if we'd ever hear about it again. He answered, 'yes, but consider the source' (i.e. it was Duke accusing Nathan of being something other than the best). I don't know what to say. I hope Nathan has a dirty past, actually. I feel he is only reacting to Duke and Audrey's storyline... 5. And finally in response to Nathan being a jerk to Duke. Duke may be a good guy now (I totally think he is) but he has by his own admission been a bad guy in the past. He put tacks in Nathan's back! He brought back his trouble! And he's never apologized. I love Duke as much as the next girl, but I think Nathan's attitude is totally understandable, even if it is wrong... I'm loving it. I hated when Duke was a jerk to Nathan. I hated the 'real boy' comment and still hurts lol I'm loving the new attitude towards Duke. 6. Nathan is very handsome. Not sure how that applies but it bears repeating! Well... #hisfacethough I'm still excited about last episode. It was surprisingly awesome. I thought they would make us see some weird Duke/Audrey scene... |
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Post by killabeez on Oct 20, 2012 18:51:53 GMT -5
Okay, time to play some serious Nathan defense. As I said, the only one that was really bothering me was #3, but I think we see it differently. Part of that, I put down to Kate Kelton being so sympathetic and evoking such emotion from me. That's why I said I'm going to watch again, to see if I still have a problem with it—but the first time I watched it, I read it very differently than you did, and it really upset me. |
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Post by killabeez on Oct 20, 2012 19:11:32 GMT -5
He put tacks in Nathan's back! He brought back his trouble! And he's never apologized. Just thought I should add, this is not true. He did apologize, very sincerely, in "Resurfacing." Not that that matters to the part of the episode that was actually a problem for me.  |
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Post by killabeez on Oct 20, 2012 20:57:01 GMT -5
I don't know what to say. I hope Nathan has a dirty past, actually You know, I've been thinking about this, because in a way I kind of agree. I was thinking, from the beginning we've basically had a town full of people who all have sketchy things in their past, and none of whom behave honorably or perfectly all the time. Even Audrey—when she killed the Rev, she did so at least partly because she really wanted to. She's asked Duke to kill for her. She's pushed Nathan away. Up until now, the only character I could say for sure was really honorable and seemed to be unstained by past actions was Nathan. So, it's shaken me up to have that made less certain. But think about it—this is part of what it means to be a resident of Haven. Every single character we've met, even those from the outside like Tommy, Evi, and even the Chief, Dwight, etc. has had some kind of darkness in their past, and made choices that were less than upstanding. (Julia Carr might be the only exception, and she left, more than once.) So, maybe this is part of the curse? Maybe we are meant to see Nathan getting darker now as a sign that things are winding up to their 27-year climax? Maybe it's part of the poison that affects everything in Haven eventually? Just a thought. I think in that light, it still upsets me to see Nathan making these choices, but maybe it's part of the bigger curse. |
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Post by alteregomaniak on Oct 20, 2012 21:59:52 GMT -5
As OfficerParker said, he has no game with chicks, if he felt something for her, he would be completely speechless and confused. He was using his brain that moment. That's kind of my point exactly though. He DOESN'T feel romantically for her and she doesn't feel romantically for him either. This isn't a Hallmark card, roses kinda thing going on between them. It is something more primal and dark. When he came in to the diner during that scene he wasn't bringing any 'game' to seduce her. In fact he was angry with her for lying to him. In this scene I felt like they spoke to one another without all the artifice and pretense that colored their first conversation, which made me feel like while the con was still on for both of them, that moment of their kiss wasn't dictated by either of their agendas. Also, even if I'm wrong and he is solely manipulating her at this stage of things, I have no doubt lines are going to get crossed in his own mind and heart. He may be acting the villain, but I have faith that our sweet broken little Nathan is somewhere in that handsome head and he won't be able to keep the lies and the truth straight either. Plus it just makes for good television... |
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Post by valfromrome on Oct 21, 2012 0:56:43 GMT -5
I don't even think Nathan needs to be defended. In my opinion, even if his actions are questionable, the rasons behind them are clear and good.
She also should stop to hurt him, considering that she knows how sensitive Nathan is.
Same here.
Also the look on his face when the he plain lied to Audrey was typical Nathan. He doesn't like what he is doing, his internal turmoil is evident, but he is doing it for Audrey.
Stubborn guys, just talk!
Perfect explanation is perfect. That was what I was thinking too watching that scene. I also think that Jordan will force Nathan to reason about his feelings and his motivation.
That being said, I think Nathan beahviour is manipulative but that his perspective will change soon. The look on his face when Jordan said "screwed up?" was more meaningful than thousands words.
I think Nathan is finding himself in places where he never thought he could be and all because of his love for Audrey. I see him as confused and scared to lose her, yet resolute to find a solution.
Now if Audrey stopped to downplay his hopes...
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Looks like teh past between the two is often forgotton and forgiven, but I don't think Nathan can't get over what Duke did to him for years.
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Post by e@n on Oct 21, 2012 1:35:47 GMT -5
Interesting and interestinger... so many diff views of what Nathan is up to... I must say that when he stopped the guard from shooting Jordan, I thought he did it to protect the guard from being killed and to make Jordan trust him more... never crossed my mind he was trying to protect her hmm... as to his intentions behind the kiss... initially I thought he was 100% using her but empathy I'll buy... he's def. not having feelings for her. Might have to rewatch... for research purposes. Gotta say I'm enjoying all these diff layers of Nathan... let him come out of his straight man shell... I don't mind him getting his hands a little dirty or grabby... as long as he can live with the consequences and gets a happy ending! Duke is NOT the most interesting character to me  |
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Post by valfromrome on Oct 21, 2012 3:43:44 GMT -5
So much this!
I agree with you. I think Nathan did what he did for several reasons and it's too early forh him to have feelings for Jordan. He might eventually, but Audrey is the one he loves.
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Post by dordoris on Oct 21, 2012 20:33:47 GMT -5
Nathan is very different from what we are used to, I don't think I'll stop liking him even if he does something immoral or whatever. He is my favorite character at the moment and that's not just because of his looks (well...)
I think we should know more about his past and his actual storyline. He can't be only "Audrey's love interest/Audrey's parter/Audrey's friend", we don't even know his house! I can't believe we are in the third season and we don't have any idea of where he lives!
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Post by madamemonday on Oct 21, 2012 20:57:11 GMT -5
we don't even know his house! I can't believe we are in the third season and we don't have any idea of where he lives! I KNOW RIGHT we've seen Duke's boat, Audrey's apartment... just what skeletons he might be hiding (literally) in his closet? |
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Post by dordoris on Oct 21, 2012 20:59:42 GMT -5
just what skeletons he might be hiding (literally) in his closet? Hopefully none lol We even saw Audrey's hotel room! It must be a very dirty place |
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Post by valfromrome on Oct 22, 2012 5:24:48 GMT -5
I think we should know more about his past and his actual storyline. He can't be only "Audrey's love interest/Audrey's parter/Audrey's friend", we don't even know his house! I can't believe we are in the third season and we don't have any idea of where he lives! It's what Lucas Bryant wants too! Anyway you made a very good point. Nathan needs a storyline and I am all ok with what we are having now (well except the "sinkmyship"part). |
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Post by killabeez on Oct 24, 2012 18:33:33 GMT -5
If you're not already talked out about this episode, I finally got a chance to rewatch, and posted about it here: killabeez.livejournal.com/446255.html(I can repost the whole thing here, if that wouldn't be annoying?) |
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