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Post by killabeez on Nov 14, 2012 12:08:42 GMT -5
Highly unlikely he's going to die. Incidentally, it would ease my mind if you have a reason for why you say this?  Vanessa didn't seem to be wrong about anything, but they also showed that they could avert the Fate she saw. I do think it's at least somewhat unlikely that a S4 would happen without Eric Balfour. But since they didn't know they were getting renewed, I wondered if we might have to suffer through hiatus not knowing what's going to happen. Same with Audrey, of course! |
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Post by valfromrome on Nov 14, 2012 14:08:12 GMT -5
If they kill Duke and then resurrects him, this show will become very much like Supernatural, where killing the main characters is something that happens basically every season. LOL.
No I can see the writers ending the season with Audrey disapperaing, but no with Duke dying. I think his role in this season is to demonstrate that Fate and family history can be changed.
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Post by killabeez on Nov 14, 2012 15:22:16 GMT -5
I think his role in this season is to demonstrate that Fate and family history can be changed. Well, I will choose to believe that you are right! In which case, Duke really is too good to be true this season. I hope that at least he will have Nathan's friendship again one day. |
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Post by officerparker on Nov 14, 2012 15:33:39 GMT -5
His grandfather died at the hands of Sarah, his father at the hands of Lucy, and the pattern is either Audrey killing Duke or Duke killing Audrey and they managed to change the cycle. This version of her is all about changing the cycles.
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Post by alteregomaniak on Nov 23, 2012 23:39:48 GMT -5
Mostly, I have to admit that I'm worried because the way Duke has been portrayed this season, he's practically a saint. He's been an unbelievably good friend to Audrey and Nathan, he's accepted Audrey's rejection with all the good grace anyone could, and he even saves (kittens) drunks who are yelling at him and who charge him with assault. We haven't seen him do anything selfish in so long, I almost feel like we're being set up for him to make a heroic sacrifice. Someone please tell me I'm being paranoid? I'm fairly certain all the 3 major characters are safe at least until the series finale. To listen to cast interviews, they always speak about the heart of the show being the relationship between the 3 and it wouldn't make sense to sacrifice that (remember the writer know where the story is going supposedly so they aren't going to break the focal triangle prematurely). I think the 'hero' complex that Duke is displaying this season is more of a plot to drive him to eventually break and consider living up to his fate to kill Audrey. I don't believe he ever would, but the show hasn't really played up the dramatic possibility in this. Why even introduce it as Duke's fate if we, the audience never even for a second believe it could be feasible? Seems a waste of drama, otherwise. If Duke is being 'too good to be true' and NOT getting the girl, NOT getting the friendship of Nathan, AND having to be complicit in the death of his grandfather...well as these things add up you could start to see how he might become resentful and say 'screw it, this is my fate.' I don't think he will give in, but it's good television to play with the idea he might. It's funny because I think in the beginning of the series Duke was very much the guy who didn't believe in fate, while Nathan was more resigned to it. If we presume we are about in the middle of our story (if you're a writer and you want 6 seasons, end of season 3 would be your middle), it would be interesting to see these 2 flip-flop on these positions for a little while... |
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Post by killabeez on Nov 24, 2012 10:51:19 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain all the 3 major characters are safe at least until the series finale. To listen to cast interviews, they always speak about the heart of the show being the relationship between the 3 and it wouldn't make sense to sacrifice that (remember the writer know where the story is going supposedly so they aren't going to break the focal triangle prematurely). I agree with all you say, but my original fear stemmed from the fact that I wasn't at all sure they were going to get more than 3 seasons, and I wasn't sure how confident the show creators were. I actually asked Nora Zuckerman that in a chat last week (how confident they had been of renewal), but unfortunately I got disconnected from the chat before I could see whether she answered me. Did you see the deleted scene from 3.09, where Duke has the nightmare about killing Audrey? |
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Post by valfromrome on Nov 24, 2012 11:36:06 GMT -5
I saw that scene and it convinced me even more that Duke is going to break the circle and change his Fate despite what he said at the end of Sarah.
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Post by dordoris on Nov 24, 2012 23:26:12 GMT -5
My thoughts about the end of Haven are very dark and angst-y. I think Duke will end up killing - or trying to kill - Audrey (if it's even possible) and Nathan will kill him, as predicted by Vanessa (I don't have any doubt that the man she saw was Nathan). I know some of you think that Haven is all about breaking the cycle, but even though Duke and the others claim that they make their own fate, they end up just following their "destiny".
Of course, I may be wrong, but I think both theories are possible right now.
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Post by officerparker on Nov 25, 2012 7:36:55 GMT -5
and we may see some of it in the finale  Dordoris i dont think that's how it's going to happen. The main theme of the show is love and they play this up in every episode be it with Nathan and Audrey or the troubled people or even the friendship between Audrey and Duke so the end being where they start and the cycle not breaking at all doesnt make much sense |
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Post by dordoris on Nov 25, 2012 20:23:24 GMT -5
Not breaking the cycle would be pointless, I agree, but up until now we haven't seen anything that directs otherwise. Over and over again they are proved to be slaves of this fate they try to run from, specially Duke. I think that will come a time when really important choices concerned to their lives will have to be made that will direct them to this end. Or not. Maybe they are leading us (me) to think of a tragic end only to break it with an unexpected happy ending.
I gotta say that I prefer tragic
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Post by soms on Dec 28, 2012 19:48:03 GMT -5
 I've seen the end. And I didn't like it. Hope s4 is better.
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Post by Othiara on Dec 29, 2012 8:58:17 GMT -5
soms -- I don't see what that has to do with Duke. How did you already see it? That's too bad. I was looking forward to it. I guess I'll watch it and judge for myself.
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Post by killabeez on Dec 29, 2012 9:11:42 GMT -5
soms -- I don't see what that has to do with Duke. How did you already see it? That's too bad. I was looking forward to it. I guess I'll watch it and judge for myself. I've seen them, too, but this thread isn't a good place to talk about what happens in them, or our thoughts about them. Don't want to ruin it for others! Should we start a spoilers thread, or maybe take it to PM for those who want to talk about them? |
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Post by dordoris on Dec 30, 2012 18:52:19 GMT -5
I think a spoiler thread works
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Vanessa didn't seem to be wrong about anything, but they also showed that they could avert the Fate she saw.
I've seen the end. And I didn't like it. Hope s4 is better. 
