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Post by valfromrome on Nov 20, 2012 12:28:23 GMT -5
Here we go...the episode where Jordan should say bye to Nathan...at least from the promo. LOL!
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Post by killabeez on Nov 20, 2012 13:31:44 GMT -5
Here we go...the episode where Jordan should say by to Nathan...at least from the promo. LOL! I hadn't seen the promo yet. Not surprised that it turns out Jordan has been hiding something, and that that's why she and Nathan will break up. Good thing for Nathan! He doesn't have to explain about Sarah now, or make a choice. That makes things easier, huh? /slightly bitter Jordan fangirl! Argh, considering how much I've loved a lot of this season, the character stuff (especially w/r/t Nathan) is starting to make me crazy. I should probably step away. |
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Post by valfromrome on Nov 20, 2012 16:50:49 GMT -5
Here we go...the episode where Jordan should say by to Nathan...at least from the promo. LOL! I hadn't seen the promo yet. Not surprised that it turns out Jordan has been hiding something, and that that's why she and Nathan will break up. Good thing for Nathan! He doesn't have to explain about Sarah now, or make a choice. That makes things easier, huh? /slightly bitter Jordan fangirl! Argh, considering how much I've loved a lot of this season, the character stuff (especially w/r/t Nathan) is starting to make me crazy. I should probably step away. I do love Jordan, but I have never considered her and Nathan like a real thing. I am also on the fence about her after the promo. I think we should discuss her and her actions after the episode airs. |
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Post by killabeez on Nov 20, 2012 18:26:45 GMT -5
It's not that I ship them—I don't, particularly. I just like consequences, and would like to see Nathan deal with some.  I feel like making Jordan turn out to be bad news is kind of an easy way out of the situation Nathan's in. It's not that I think he wouldn't choose Audrey over Jordan, but that I would like it to be a tough decision, you know? It's just easier and neater this way. I understand, though, they only have 13 episodes. |
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Post by valfromrome on Nov 20, 2012 18:55:36 GMT -5
It's not that I ship them—I don't, particularly. I just like consequences, and would like to see Nathan deal with some. I feel like making Jordan turn out to be bad news is kind of an easy way out of the situation Nathan's in. It's not that I think he wouldn't choose Audrey over Jordan, but that I would like it to be a tough decision, you know? It's just easier and neater this way. I understand, though, they only have 13 episodes. I agree. I would have liked to see it at end of Sarah. Nathan realizes he wants Audrey and then goes to Jordan to tell her that they can't go any further. I was hoping for it in Magic Hour p2 actually, but I guess Nathan can't be resolute when it comes to Audrey. Gotta say that after Jordan heard Audrey saying that she loved Nathan, I was expecting a step back from her. When she saw Nathan and Audrey talking, she should have pushed Nathan to get back to Audrey. She should have done what Audrey did. |
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Post by alteregomaniak on Nov 20, 2012 20:28:48 GMT -5
I just like consequences, and would like to see Nathan deal with some. I have a feeling Nathan's 'consequence' ended up on a beach in 1984, so I wouldn't worry too much about him getting off scot-free! |
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Post by valfromrome on Nov 21, 2012 5:38:56 GMT -5
I just like consequences, and would like to see Nathan deal with some. I have a feeling Nathan's 'consequence' ended up on a beach in 1984, so I wouldn't worry too much about him getting off scot-free! Oh this hurts! |
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Post by killabeez on Nov 21, 2012 17:30:20 GMT -5
I have a feeling Nathan's 'consequence' ended up on a beach in 1984, so I wouldn't worry too much about him getting off scot-free! Not quite what I had in mind, though I'm good with Nathan being the CK's father. Nora Zuckerman mentioned when the episode was airing that his decision to go after Sarah was kind of shady (given his relationship with Jordan, and his unresolved issues with Audrey) and I would like to see him deal with that. I find it interesting when good people do not-so-good things and then have to deal with the fallout. I find it frustrating when those issues are not dealt with. ETA: Just like I loved it when Audrey had to deal with the fallout of her decision to ask Duke to kill for her. That's the kind of thing I mean. Consequences are sexy! One thing I've always loved about this show is that it didn't forget stuff like that—like when Audrey killed the Rev. I am just hoping for that level of complexity, rather than pretending Nathan being with Sarah was 100% Awesome because it was Fated (and Jordan was bad news anyway). I like things messier than that. |
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Post by dordoris on Nov 21, 2012 20:05:24 GMT -5
I don't think Jordan is bad, as Nathan said, it's not black and white. I don't know, obviously, what is going to happen, but I don't think it will be something that will make her look as a horrible person and Nathan will spit on her face (lol). I believe Nathan will deal with his choices towards Sarah, but I don't expect he'll do it with Jordan. I guess it was more about Audrey and Nathan, rather than Nathan and Jordan.
To be completely honest with you, I don't really consider Jordan as an important element in Nathan's life, I see Jordan as a pathway to the guard and Nathan's relationship towards them. I don't think that whatever he may have done with Sarah would change his relationship with her...
I don't think she cares a lot about Nathan's obvious feelings for Audrey either. In Real Estate, she didn't buy that 'she's my partner' speech (mostly because Audrey is NOT his partner anymore, he's chief) and after Magic Hour 2 she witnessed Audrey's love confession and didn't seem willing to step back. What I'm trying to say is that even though they care about each other, it is not that kind of relationship, she's pretty much using Nathan's affliction.
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Post by killabeez on Nov 21, 2012 23:21:46 GMT -5
To be completely honest with you, I don't really consider Jordan as an important element in Nathan's life, I see Jordan as a pathway to the guard and Nathan's relationship towards them. It's interesting—I would quite easily see their relationship as one where both parties are using each other, if it weren't for the way Kate Kelton has played the part. She has made that character so vulnerable, and played her emotion for Nathan as so genuine, that I interpret the relationship much differently than I would with another actress in the part. I was actually more bothered by the fact that Sarah was not Audrey than I was that Nathan would get with Sarah while he was supposedly with Jordan, but that's because I vastly prefer Nathan's actual relationship with Audrey to his fairly shallow (and somewhat fairy-tale) relationship with Sarah. But anyway, regardless of my personal issues with the Nathan/Sarah romance, I think that the character made some dubious choices there, and he's been making dubious choices all season, and I would really like to see him deal with that. We've seen Audrey deal with the fallout of her choices this season, but we haven't gotten much of Nathan's POV, and I'd love to see some. I'd also like to know that he's a man who doesn't take those choices lightly. |
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Post by valfromrome on Nov 22, 2012 8:26:56 GMT -5
I find it interesting when good people do not-so-good things and then have to deal with the fallout. I find it frustrating when those issues are not dealt with. I find it frustrating too. Also it would be interesting to see Nathanìs reaction to all these events that are happening. i remember Lucas Bryant saying that Nathan would have found himself in places he would have never thought about but that his reasons (ie saving audrey) were stronger than his doubts- I agree. It was awesome for us to watch as Naudrey fans, but also very complicated to be dealt with. Dordoris: . I agree, I think both Nathan and Jordan have somehow used each other. Nathan because he wanted info about the Guard and Jordan because she needed to feel the touch of someone again. Jordan's affliction is terrible and I get that she can be selfish when it comes to the only person she can touch. So, while I would have loved to see her being noble, I understand where she comes from. That being said this is a thing I'd like to be explored too. It's not only Nathan who lied to her (but then he amended even if he's living on a edgy situation), Jordan is still lying to him. Oh this! It doesn't have to be with Jordan. It's not that Nathan and Jordan are really a thing. This is why, even if I understand her, my love for her has diminished. Killabeez: Despite Kate Kelton acting, I still think she is using Nathan because she needs him. I explained my point on this above, so I'm not going to repeat myself. Here I think we see things differentely, because the vibe I got from his rl with Sarah was that he was seeing Audrey in Sarah. When he told her that she had the greatest intuition than everyone else, he was talking about Audrey. Also, I think Nathan was overwhelmed by all the events and let himself go, because for once he just did what he wanted and not what would have been the best. Nathan is never carefree and this is actually what's preventing him to be with Audrey. I agree. I think there is no much time left to make him deal with the aftermath, but yes Nathan doesn't take any choice lightly. Also I'd like to see what having been death for real has left in him. |
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Post by killabeez on Nov 22, 2012 9:05:47 GMT -5
This is why, even if I understand her, my love for her has diminished. That (and your other thoughts about Jordan) are points well taken. I was a bit sad that she didn't acknowledge Audrey the same way Audrey acknowledged her at the end of Magic Hour, and you're right, that was a selfish if understandable choice that did diminish my sympathy for her a bit. I love how you said this. Thank you. That helps me be a bit easier with Nathan's actions, and also with Sarah. Very well expressed! I do think that part of my frustration is just that I don't want this season to be over! This is so much story to tell in 13 episodes (or is it 12? I just realized I wasn't sure). Of course, American shows suffer sometimes from having 22 episodes, and not enough story to fill them up. |
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Post by valfromrome on Nov 22, 2012 10:17:48 GMT -5
That (and your other thoughts about Jordan) are points well taken. I was a bit sad that she didn't acknowledge Audrey the same way Audrey acknowledged her at the end of Magic Hour, and you're right, that was a selfish if understandable choice that did diminish my sympathy for her a bit. Exactly. Audrey has just confessed her undying love for Nathan and when he wake up, she just left room for Jordan while Jordan didn't even try to let her and Nathan be alone for a very much needed talk. Nathan has his responsibility too, since he could have stayed with Audrey but in his defense, he still thinks Audrey is pushing him away and we know how he behaves when he is hurt. Glad I helped 13 I wish it could have at least three more, everything could seem less rushed |
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Post by dordoris on Nov 22, 2012 19:10:55 GMT -5
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Post by valfromrome on Nov 23, 2012 5:00:52 GMT -5
That vest! He can really wear everything Missing Haven today. |
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I feel like making Jordan turn out to be bad news is kind of an easy way out of the situation Nathan's in. It's not that I think he wouldn't choose Audrey over Jordan, but that I would like it to be a tough decision, you know? It's just easier and neater this way. I understand, though, they only have 13 episodes.
