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Audrey
Nov 8, 2012 0:35:24 GMT -5
Post by killabeez on Nov 8, 2012 0:35:24 GMT -5
Here are a few more confusing dates from "Business As Usual" and the opening credits:
Lucy(Audrey) appears at the real Lucy Ripley's house on the run: early 1983 - Lucy R. says that Simon Crocker came to her several months after this, and since he died in May, the two women had to have met in early 1983. Lucy R. says that "someone died," but this could not have been either Simon or James Cogan. Could it have been James Cogan's father? - Lucy R. also says that Lucy(Audrey) had been "staying in Haven for a while"—putting her arrival in Haven at late 1982 or earlier?
Simon Crocker's offical date of death: May 21, 1983 - since he died at sea, this might be approximate
Herald article about James Cogan's death: May 28, 1983 - could he have actually died a week or more before the story printed? Yes, because the paper is a weekly
Lucy disappeared - the Hunter - October 21, 1983 - four months after both Simon and James died
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Audrey
Nov 8, 2012 4:07:36 GMT -5
Post by valfromrome on Nov 8, 2012 4:07:36 GMT -5
Wow, this is a great research job.
I think Lucy arrived in Haven in 1982, otherwise how does everything fit?
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Audrey
Nov 8, 2012 11:43:55 GMT -5
Post by killabeez on Nov 8, 2012 11:43:55 GMT -5
Thanks. It's very interesting that while all the Haven Heralds in the credits have specific dates on them, and you can see them, the show itself has been VERY careful not to show actual dates. The Haven Herald website (in the show) doesn't have a date on it. Very seldom do we see newspapers or computer screens at all, and when we do, there are no dates shown. This could be deliberate, or it could be that the designers working on the show know better than to show too many dates—many shows screw up sooner or later if they get in the habit of showing dates. The mistake in the one Herald article about the Hunter has to be just such an oversight. It doesn't make any sense that a newspaper article from 1983 would be talking about a meteor shower in 2010. But it might be indicative of the fact that the show creators do in fact think that Audrey & Co. are still living in 2010. Of course, since we don't know the date at the show's beginning, that still doesn't tell us how long Audrey's been there.
I used to keep a timeline for Supernatural before it became obvious that the show creators didn't care in the least about consistency. I think that the Haven creative team is probably a lot more careful, particularly since time and cycles are crucial to the story, but maybe they're leaving it vague specifically so they don't make a mistake.
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Audrey
Nov 8, 2012 12:38:40 GMT -5
Post by officerparker on Nov 8, 2012 12:38:40 GMT -5
I think the "for a while" can mean she stayed for a few months. Audrey's been in Haven for 6 months now, so it'd be considered for a while.
This is what I don't understand. Lucy said a few months after, but Lucy was still in Haven when James died. Why would Lucy go back to Haven when Simon wanted to kill her and was looking for her? She was on the run. We know james was with Lucy so if she ran wouldn't James go too? I'm constantly confused by the timeline on this show.
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Audrey
Nov 8, 2012 13:35:43 GMT -5
Post by killabeez on Nov 8, 2012 13:35:43 GMT -5
This is what I don't understand. Lucy said a few months after, but Lucy was still in Haven when James died. Why would Lucy go back to Haven when Simon wanted to kill her and was looking for her? She was on the run. We know james was with Lucy so if she ran wouldn't James go too? I'm constantly confused by the timeline on this show. Well, if Simon was already dead in May (supposedly killed by Lucy herself) and James was already dead by then, too, perhaps the danger was past. The thing that doesn't make sense to me is this. If Simon was the danger she fled from when she first went to Lucy R., and Simon was already dead, then why was Lucy(Audrey) unable to stop the Troubles? She told Lucy R. that she knew the secret to ending it. So if the danger was past, and Simon was no longer after her, why was she unable to end the Troubles? Was it because Simon was dead? If "Love Conquers All" is the answer, then perhaps when she killed Simon, she could no longer end the Troubles. Maybe she went back just to help the Troubled people who were left? Another confusing factor: if James was killed in May, and Lucy wrote herself the hurried, scrawled message about the Hunter on his coffin, that actually happened four months after James died. Did she believe he was dead that whole time, and only find out he was alive in October, right before she disappeared? And if she knew in February 1983 how to end the Troubles, but didn't disappear until October 1983, then why on earth didn't she leave a better message for Audrey? This is why I say I would not be surprised if the show creators have made a mistake with the timeline. It's tough to make this make sense, IMO. But I also could be making a mistake in interpreting what they've said.
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Audrey
Nov 8, 2012 17:37:21 GMT -5
Post by officerparker on Nov 8, 2012 17:37:21 GMT -5
I know I have been making little sense with all this confusing info. I already asked them a couple of times about the timeline and they never replied, when usually they answer to fans do IDK. Maybe it's supposed to be confusing? ARG.
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Audrey
Nov 8, 2012 18:16:30 GMT -5
Post by killabeez on Nov 8, 2012 18:16:30 GMT -5
I know I have been making little sense with all this confusing info. I already asked them a couple of times about the timeline and they never replied, when usually they answer to fans do IDK. Maybe it's supposed to be confusing? ARG. I can make most of this fit together if I think about it hard enough. But it is very confusing, and the actual dates we do have (James Cogan's death, Simon Crocker's death, the Hunter meteor shower in 1983) don't help much. I suppose it's possible that Lucy(Audrey) did leave more information for Audrey, but that Audrey just hasn't found it yet. Maybe the Teagues or the Rev or the Guard or Agent Howard prevented Audrey from getting the message.
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